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Subject: Universal Engineering Ranger
JTR~~    5/11/2011 10:13:06 AM
having reviewed as much information in regards to this vehicles as i possibly could find, and being aware that the MoD has turned it down, i like a number of other people already have come to the conclusion that the MoD has just added another incident to its growing list of procurement failures. The benefits offered by the vehicle cannot be denied. the levels of protection that it offers far exceeds minimum expectations and if the claims of the company are indeed anything to go by then this vehicle appears to be currently the best armoured vehicle of its type out there today. Its general performance is also of the highest quality with excellent mobility and a top speed in excess of 73 mph Another of this platforms major benefits is its incredible versatility. there are many roles for which the one base design of vehicle can be used from transport to armoured engineering vehicle to name but a few. in my opinion despite the fact that UK forces are already equipped with the Ridgeback and Mastiff, that in not accepting the Ranger into service they are making a great mistake, and this will only be further accentuated as and when other nations place their own orders for the vehicle and we do not. The MoD is passing up a golden opportunity in the form of this vehicle Your thoughts on this if you please? Also, i would wish to know what people think of a certain idea that i have just fostered. What with the MoD attempting to slim down the British army by ridding it of its so called cold war kit, thereby preparing it for 21st century warfare, i was thinking why not base the British army version of the US army Stryker Brigade combat teams around the Ranger vehicle and its variants in conjunction with the introduction of the new FRES tracked vehicles?. i know this is very simple and is just a hypothetical theory but, nonetheless could it be a suitable option for UK forces? Would it work? is it the right direction (adopting a UK styled BCT program)? Your thoughts on this also Regards JTR~~
 
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Reactive       5/11/2011 10:48:00 AM
I think what you really need to know here is why the MOD turned it down, the information you are basing your assessment on is essentially based on the promotional material from an interested vendor. There's a few things I hate about it but I'll keep those opinions to myself for now.
 
In terms of future capabilites I think we'll see vehicles in the weight band between IFV's and MBT's being procured as the replacement for the Challenger 2 platform, and for several reasons I don't think equipping lighter platforms with ATGW's is going to be a cure-all.
 
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JTR~~       5/11/2011 11:12:10 AM

I think what you really need to know here is why the MOD turned it down, the information you are basing your assessment on is essentially based on the promotional material from an interested vendor. There's a few things I hate about it but I'll keep those opinions to myself for now.

 

In terms of future capabilites I think we'll see vehicles in the weight band between IFV's and MBT's being procured as the replacement for the Challenger 2 platform, and for several reasons I don't think equipping lighter platforms with ATGW's is going to be a cure-all.


 

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interesting assesment Reactive, thank you for your insight. so a Stryker brigade theme is not the way for the British army to go in your opinion?
 
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flamingknives       5/11/2011 4:07:06 PM
I would be interested to know why people think that this vehicle is so good.  I've got no reason to think that UE are incapable, but what is it about this vehicle that is so brilliant?

It's the tallest thing in the world (more so than Cougar), has limited frontal arc protection and has applique armour that you could fit to almost any platform. As a mine-protected vehicle is it that much better than the Cougar families that it can stand being about three years too late? As a general purpose vehicle is it capable of being used in higher intensity conflicts that it could supplant the FRES aspiration?
 
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